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Published on August 16, 2004 By historyishere In Entertainment

After reading one of Angloesque's more recent blog entries, I began thinking about some of the things that have been said to me as a writer, whether it be in workshops or amongst my peers or even from editors. For the most part, even when these people were being their most negative, I was able to take their constructive criticism in the spirit in which it was given, and their occasional scorn with grace and good nature. But of course, there is always going to be at least one thing someone has said to you that really sticks in your craw, and you have a hard time letting it go. The words that haunt me are from nearly 4 years ago, when as a young writer, I was a member of Zoetrope Online. It's true I made quite a few friends while I was there, but the person who gave me this review was not one of them. Instead, it was penned by the editor of a poetry journal, so it made what he said that much worse, as I couldn't really tell myself they didn't know what they were talking about. In addition, he was a bit of a lurker, so I had to really think that he really objected to my poem. The review reads as follows:

It's not impressionistic, it's a lot of abstraction and generalized description. An excess of adjectives also. Look at all those adjective noun constructions throughout: Yawning canyons, rocky lips, starry abyss, single sliver, glacial teeth. Pretty cliched as well (cliched here as an overuse of dead metaphor). The poem needs specific images and concrete particularities. The use of the pathetic fallacy turns this into one high rhetorical move after another. This piece strikes me as an "idea" of poetry rather than the poem itself. There's no sense of an experience here in the generalities.

To say I think it's not working would be a reasonable deduction. I have to wonder what contemporary you're reading after a piece like this. Do you read any?

Now by no stretch of the imagination do I believe that the submitted piece was the best poem in creation, or even the best poem I have ever written, but those last two lines of that review... ouch. I've shown it to friends, and ask them if you got a review like that, wouldn't it make you not want to write anymore; and most of them say yes. But for me, it would be too easy to just quit, and it isn't in my nature to do that. Instead of depressing me, it just really pissed me off. It made me want to do it even more, just to spite him, and even though it did have a positive outcome, it still pisses me off a bit even to this day.

So the question I ask my fellow writers is this... what is the worst review/critique you've ever gotten... and what was its effect on you?

SIDENOTE: Who thinks we need a "Writing" category for our blog entries?


Comments
on Aug 16, 2004
Hmm. I feel like a second-rate writer since I haven't gotten any critiques like that. Seriously. I get the run-of-the-mill kind and if anything, maybe they're worse because I feel so mediocre and dime-a-dozen.

The worst criticism I ever got was when I was a college newspaper editor and we ran a story about a student getting arrested for a DUI (happened right outside the office, how could we not notice?). Someone wrote in and accused us of putting out a, crap, what's the term they used... oh yeah, "tabloid" paper. That one blew me. (Christian college, BTW)

Side note: I can't believe you have homestar runner as a link. My cat's name is Trogdor the Urinator (we got him before he was fixed).
on Aug 16, 2004
It's not impressionistic, it's a lot of abstraction and generalized description.
This strikes me as an overblown review by some professorial idiot. He's attacking you for the very same language he uses, except that his is indeed impressionistic.
on Aug 16, 2004
Angloesque: DO you want to get a critique like that? Honestly, its not fun. It sort of felt like I was a little kid getting picked on by a bully.

Its sort of funny that a page format (tabloid) has become such a derogatory term in our society, isn't it. You seem to be a rather ethical person, and one not given to sensationalism, so I can see how that would be an insult to you, because its implying a lot of things that weren't true.

On the sidenote: I'm such a homestar geek... been watching it for about a year and a half. They do a great jorb on it.

Welcome to O-blivion, anglo-skew


stevendedalus: At the time, his biggest claim to fame was he wrote a "hypertext" novel.... a postmodern experiment he called it... I do think he got on his high horse this time. Still doesn't mean I'm not mad about though.
on Aug 16, 2004
The only thing I envy about it, which I should've made clearer, was that it was personal. I did get one rejection from an editor via e-mail that may have been personal, but it didn't discuss my work at all. Small press rejection.

Come to think of it, no, I wouldn't want a critique like that. It looks like a stinger. I have to say it does seem overblown, so I guess I agree with stevendedalus there. When you read that poem now, what do you think about it? Post it if you want.
on Aug 16, 2004
Angloesque... the context that those comments were made in were more in a workshop setting rather than an editorial one... I was looking for feedback on how to improve as a poet on a site whose goal was to be a workshop for writers(and a place for Francis Ford Coppola to find work for his magazine).

Now, being honest with myself, I've written MUCH better verse than this, even before I posted it. How do I know they were better? Mainly because I sold the poem I posted before this one after a single word edit. So here is the poem that goes along with that rebuke:

Terra Incognito


Yawning canyons
Engorge the sun between rocky lips
and suture the starry abyss,
holding the onset of darkness back
with a single sliver of light,
clenched between glacial teeth.

Erratics pierce the sky,
cutting the clouds with sharp edges.
Twilight pours from the wound,
Coagulating in the trees,
staining the landscape
with Nyx's injury.

And here are the aggregate marks it eventually received from the people who critiqued it.

Overall Quality: 6.75
Originality: 6.75
Communication of Theme: 6.75
Structure: 6.75
Fluency: 7.00

Not great, nor horrifyingly bad. I've done both better and worse than that on that site.
on Aug 17, 2004
I wouldn't presume to critique that, but I just wanted to say, v. clever title.

Cheers.

-A.
on Aug 17, 2004
I never said it was great... lol. Thanks for the compliment on the title though.
on Aug 23, 2004
My husband is a professional writer and I have collaborated with him on a few novels. Once, his agent convinced him to try writing some "Romance/Historical" aka Bodice Busters. So we decided to try this as a team. These books have been published in German but not, so far in English. Now I understood the rejection letters which said such things as "this book is too focused on Germany for American readers." I may not agree with it, but its a reasonable criticism. But the weirdest one we got, one that may explain some of the problems with the US publishing industry (and one I can not believe that someone actually put in writing but they did) was:
"We are not able to publish your work, because:
The Writing is TOO GOOD for this genre..."

Which may not be the wost thing anyone has ever said about our writing, but it was one of the most revealing. And it still makes me mad, five years later!

Melodi
on Aug 24, 2004
Did you feel it was a copout on their part Melodi?

I know that some publishers, look for a written vocabulary in the books they publish for adults to be around a certain grade level, and if the language seems to be above that level, they won't publish it. Crappy I know...